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Is dA and its Group system slowing dying out?

Journal Entry: Tue Dec 17, 2013, 11:15 AM


Hello everyone!

:megaphone: :police: Before you read, please keep in mind that my intentions are not to blame, insult, criticize, or say anything harmful about anyone! The intentions of this feature if anything, is to motivate us all in improving the group system and dA as a whole! ALSO this is focused more largely on photography, digital art, and a few other mediums, but I don't claim to speak for the cases of other mediums and types of groups that I am not familiar with.

EDIT: To make things clear, I don't believe dA or Groups will ever be "dead" in the sense of them not existing anymore, or members in both factions not existing either, I'm using "Death" more metaphorically perhaps, in saying that the way the group system is intended to be working, has been failing, and needs improving in order to not fail its purpose, and that dA needs to do something to strengthen the community sense and interactions between members both in groups and in the dA community overall, and also render it more important to focus on unknown artists and give them a better chance by avoiding being or becoming a sort of elitist art community.

This feature is about addressing the issue of dA Groups slowly but surely becoming dead, I think we've all noticed that the Groups that were our favorites and go-to art collectors in 2011 have almost all vanished into thin air, or pretend to be alive only to let your work expire without a word. So is the Group system doomed? Is dA doomed? It sometimes seems that there's a lack of variety, that everything we see on dA is almost a copy of something else, over and over again. Are we lacking new talented artists? All we see are the popular famous ones on the front page, gaining popularity as always (not that this is necessarily bad), but what about the underdogs, the unknown artists who are often just as talented if not more, than those in the spotlight? Well...that was the point of groups in my opinion. With groups everyone had a chance to be "seen", however less and less groups are focusing on showcasing unknown artists, groups don't interact with each other, contests and competitions are becoming less common, therefore in a lot of cases groups are just submitting a bunch of work which leaves us all alienated and distanced from each other because nobody seems to be communicating whether it be in groups or on dA in general.

Groups can serve all sorts of different purposes, from creating a platform to share general interests and ideas, to collecting artwork, to creating an outlet, or aiming at giving feedback and critiques to members, or showcasing solely elite photography or accepting all works and discriminating no one. Now all Groups may intend to serve a purpose, but lately it seems that it's just become a fuster-cluck of randomness, and if your prior favorite Group isn't dead, it seems to be either slowly sinking or accepting way too many deviations (this excludes more "dA community" centered groups I think and is guided more towards photography or art collection groups).

Groups have become increasingly important and popular on dA, however the way they run seems to have changed. There is a lack of interactivity, of "solidarity" or camaraderie, of friendship perhaps. Everyone seems disconnected, which renders Groups fairly week. Now I'm not saying that all dA groups have died out, that would be ridiculous, there are still hundreds of groups accepting artwork and running smoothly, however, I think nobody can deny that some of the best groups we used to have on dA have died, which is leading to people constantly commenting on these groups pages saying "is this group dead?" "submissions expired...." "is anyone here".

So, once again what's the point of this feature?

To let everyone know which groups are still out there, alive and well, and promote the work that they have been submitting!
I don't want to call out other groups by listing which ones are now dead, that would just be rude, but maybe the founders of those groups will see this and want to get cracking again! I hope that nobody will take this personally, also I will probably forget or miss several groups simply because I'm more geared towards photography.


:iconyoung-photo-club:
Young Photo Club

Recently revived by myself, a group for young photographers up to age 25 and their work. Trying to promote a platform where you can learn and improve your skills, while however remaining selective in what is accepted into the group.

fairy tale by Ddenisee don't tell them anything by KateIndeed take me to the sea by mariascherlies Chasing you by MintLights The Giant's Causeway by transkendium You left your mark on me by WelcomeHomeJane Frosty Owl by Silvermoonswan bloody Beauty by syinthetic
All I want for christmas is you by nagomi09

Similar groups that are still active:
:iconvintagenic: :iconpreciousness-arts: :iconwe-are-innocents:


:rose:

:iconcreationarium:
Creationarium

A group for all types of art, still fully alive and active, accepting in some great works and promoting many unknown artists! A great group when it comes to variety, and promoting both professional and amateur artists.

Autumn Feeling by Natan-Estivallet The Trees At Shorne by Nigel-Hirst Phaethic Escapade by ChaosFissure Pollens by SaTaNiA
foundation by Ben-Andrews It's better to burn out than to fade away by borda
  Merry Christmas 2013 by atomhawk nature spirit by Ururuty

Similar groups that are still active:
:iconrealm-of-fantasy: :iconshareart: :icondeviantsgallery:

:rose:

:iconcaptured-beauties:
Captured Beauties

Another group accepting most medias that you can count on to fill your inbox with some cool artwork! The group even does Daily Favorite journals to further promote their artists. I'd recommend joining this group if you'd like to see artwork that you'd probably miss by browsing the front page or most other groups. I'd say they also accept a wide range of works from very amateur to very professional.

The Vatican by Destroth Make a wish by Sketchylious
Sky of Belgrade by Piroshki-Photography Do you remember Simona? by tim-tim-art
Rabbit Heart by deerArylide IMG 0327 by elysabet
 I Am Just a Tremor II by RapidHeartMovement Elf Riding On A Horse by ann-emerald

Similar groups that are still active:
:iconcompelling-photos: :iconpassionate-portraits: :icondivine-photography:

:rose:

:icondeath-chicks:
Death Chicks

Death-Chicks is one of the few "old" dA groups that you can still count on, I still receive many deviations in my message center from them, and enjoy submitting to them from time to time. They are more specific to alternative, pin-up, glamour, nude, fetish type shots or simply portraits of women in general that should usually have a kick of originality and uniqueness to them. As their subtitle says, the group is for "Alternative Photography" and is run by the talented and amazing DistortedSmile. They regularly post art features and promote dA groups along with the Daily Deviation system and overall involvement from members in regards to Art and the dA community, so check them out.

 At the well of the Dream Goddess by 6v4MP1r36 autumn princess by Boas73 true by Drastique-Plastique
  ElegyEllem in Lady Lucie Latex I by BelindaBartzner Black bride by segnisullapelle The myth of transformation 06 by orsnai R e d  C u r s e by EclipxPhotography He Says She's Intoxicating by MarilynSinclair

:rose:

:icondeviantdolls:
Deviant Dolls

Another "surviving" group that has been one of my favorites for a long time, and in which I've been an admin. DeviantDolls is similar to Death-Chicks but a bit less picky when it comes to their submissions, therefore accepting a wider variety of female centered art often from more amateur-type artists. A great group that I was glad to see hasn't become dead. Most medias are accepted, therefore showcasing a wide range of art.

    
Rapunzel by strannaya-anna raindrops fashion elegance by Svea-JillCzech
Baby, we were born to die by SummerColor Dragon by Sallozare Feeling Good by WeissEpilog
Swing by Jelisa-Rina

:rose:

:iconclash-of-the-titans:
Clash of the Titans

Clash of the Titans is fully alive in regards to submissions coming in and being accepted quickly, it serves its purpose of showcasing all sorts of artwork from dA. It claims as its goal to only accept quality work, and therefore be a bit more elitist than other groups. It's a group you should follow if you enjoy receiving hundreds of deviations per day in your message center, because they definitely have something new for you every day. I'd say that the standards are correct, not too high, not too low.

 I've got my eye on you by The-Underwriter   Herbarium Amoris by b-lackdante Christmas Surprise by raysheaf
 ** by stringoiu Wildflowers meadow by Kasia1989
After the Storm by photorip Sleep Deeply by woollymammothmusic
Lok-Vah-Koor by plangkye

Similar groups that are still active:
:iconhighqualityart: :iconbest-photographs: :iconlegendsquad:


:iconmajesticmasterpieces:
Majestic Masterpieces

This is a bit of self promotion. I just created this group about two days ago, I created it to try and fill the void that many abandoned groups have left. Majestic Masterpieces is intended to be a fairly elitist group to showcase the best photography of dA, however the "best" can also be from unknown or new artists, so I'm going to try and showcase them as much as possible. As you can see since we just started we don't have a lot of Deviations, so feel encouraged to join and submit!

Eternal Cycle by Queen-Kitty SEA FLOWER by M0THart The butterfly and I by kazarinakristina
Slept so long without you .... by Voodica Goodbyes by CherishKay


Groups I didn't include that I would still consider active:

:iconnikon-photographers: :icondrop-dead-intense: :iconthetruespiritofart: :iconeuropeans: :iconsupernatural-art: :icondream-club: :iconphotographyunlimited: :iconunknown-photography: :icongetdailydeviations: :iconi-heart-colors: :iconphotographygalore: :iconblumenkinder: :iconfashion-romanticism: :iconeliteartists: and many others! (The list could go on for a while ;))

Groups that I think are great, and need more attention so that we can avoid seeing them become dead like many others:

:iconher-hair: :iconamazinglybeautiful: :iconthespiritofart: :iconourtimephotography:

As I said, I won't list the groups deemed "dead" out of politeness.

So guys, let's try to revive the Group community, do more than just click through deviations, interact and try to really make a difference for our community here! I've been trying to contact some of the "dead" groups to revive them, just today we were able to do that with we-are-innocents and hopefully other groups will want the same thing!

Thank you
Mrs-Durden</b>


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Aloneness Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Never mind groups, I think all of dA is slowly dieing.

as you said "There is a lack of interactivity, of "solidarity" or camaraderie, of friendship perhaps. Everyone seems disconnected, ..."
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HjordisBjorg Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013
This group is still alive :aww:
:iconflawless-perfection:
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WeActOnImpulse Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Their last journal is from 2012. That group is deader than a doornail.
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TomGarot Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
A great appeal!
Now for my humble opinion:
I think a group is only as "strong" as it's members.
Thought i am a fairly new member to dA myself, groups in general tend to have certain dynamics to them. Groups "dying" thus is not necessarily a bad or worrysome sign, but simply shows the flow went on. Especially in a system filled with creative minds, like dA, loose formations tend to disssolve rather quickly.
People change.
They change their interests, their art, maybe even their way of creation. At some point the will want and even need to go on, to leave the past behind and to explore something new. Actually you would have to take the newly-forming and rising groups into consideration in order to really make a forecast on the future. As i said i'm rather new, so i sadly can not make a well-developed statement about this, but change in general is not bad.

I did not yet adress your other point of famous artists simply gaining fame and unknown pople staying unknown, but i think the development has many parallels to that of youtube (guess that comparison is going to cause a lot of hate), where basically the same thing can be observed. Still new users manage to randomly climb to the high ranks, aparantly not even because of the content they provide. Everyone has to personaly decide, whether he finds this a good or bad development. I personaly would like a system of more mutual support and greater chances for unknown people better, but those tend to have two major flaws:
First they only function based on the hard work and the selfless acts of every member and this is kind of an utopia.
And second they tend to not really credit every artist in an equitable way. I don't mean to say some deserve to be ignored, but you would have to agree that superior content is supposed to be valued.

Of course those two are extreme examples and none of them will (propably) happen to dA, the best solution would be a mix (best-of-both-worlds, you know?) and i can only hope your text will help achieving the best mutual support and peaceful coexistence on dA. And don't cling the past too much, explore something new and exciting, this is what art is about in the first place!

And a Merry Christmas to all those who celebrate (and some peaceful days to those whw don't) Santa Clause 
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FlyteWizard Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Student Photographer
I'm an admin in three groups (Two of which are still active Unlimited photography and I love photography). The last group Canon Photo remains inactive, not because of lack of admins, but due to the Head Admin leaving without notice and not giving anyone control of the group. We are stuck with a voting system that requires 5 votes per submission. With no way of changing that or a way of informing members that we cannot take in any submissions. I've tried for a long time to post on every submission that we are "dead", I even posted in the chat box at the end of the group page. People still join and submit. I've contacted DA about this problem, but they can't do anything. I even ask them to close the group until the leader comes back so people wouldn'T be pissed that their submission expired. No luck so far.....
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Mrs-Durden Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
That's a problem a lot of groups are having to deal with, and it really sucks. I'm hoping that their next changes in the group system will effectively fix the room for this issue to occur. It really is wasting a bunch of people's time, and confusing everyone in the group community.
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Ddenisee Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Professional Photographer
heeey, thank you for adding my work to this beautiful feature Heart 
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:iconmrs-durden:
Mrs-Durden Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
It's my pleasure! I'm a huge fan of your photography :hug:
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WeissEpilog Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Professional Artist
How great to see their photos here! It is very nice. Thank very much!
Heart Heart Heart 
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Mrs-Durden Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
My pleasure! :)
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SoolArts Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I founded :icongetwatchers: when dA group system was created and also created an external App for dA users to helps members get more exposure.

Same if we have more than 100,000 members and a devoted team of admins, I agree that general activity in group is slowing down. At my opinion it's because users don't really feel involved with others members. I think the best way to revive interest in group would be to add a Forum Feature where members can chat and discuss together. I don't think it have nothing to do with group operators, it's a question of web tendency... dA group system just don't really have what it needs to compete with other major social platform.
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:iconmrs-durden:
Mrs-Durden Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I totally agree, a forum feature would be fantastic for groups!
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DistortedSmile Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Beautiful collection :aww: And thanks for the mention
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Mrs-Durden Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Thank you! And it's my pleasure :)
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CMGfx Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
By the way...

This, group issues and other issues and improvements are discussed and voted on the suggestion forum!

Read and vote: support.deviantart.com/forums/…
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:iconmrs-durden:
Mrs-Durden Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Thank you for the reminder! I had forgotten about the suggestion forum!
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Negaduck9 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
A thought on the "dead group" issue...

I was around when Sage Weil developed WebRing, and when Yahoo took it over, and when Yahoo released it again. One of the problems with the rings was that the ring administrator would stop managing it, and when sites went down or removed their code they broke the ring. As well, new sites could not join.

The solution was to allow people to "adopt" webrings after the manager had not done anything in a certain amount of time. That way the ring could live on as long as there was interest in the topic and someone willing to manage it. I'd like to see DeviantArt implement something similar. If the owner of a group is banned, or has not been active for a certain amount of time, then the group can be opened for adoption.

On another note, sometimes group owners dump their groups on others without warning. I own two groups, both of which I offered to help manage by handling submissions, and then the group owner promoted me without warning and resigned from the group, in effect dropping it all in my lap. Very bad practice, that.
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GrannyOgg Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The problem with a lot of groups is that people start them up and then loose interest in managing them or their situation changes and they no longer have the time to administer them. Then there are the "syndicates" who take over groups - chuck people and their work out with no explanation and change the focus of the group with a like it or leave attitude. There are those who step in to "help out" when founders need a break after years of building a group, demote them and then chuck them out of their own groups. Then there are the founders who don't understand the settings. Because they don't understand they use their own ignorance as a tool to bludgeon the members with cos it can't possibly be their fault. There are elitist groups who will turn your work down time and time again because it 'it isn't quite what they are looking for'. Others start up taking everything then end up accepting very little.
The way forwards, in my opinion, is to engage your members in helpful dialogue - but then again members don't always know what they want!
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Mrs-Durden Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Good points made here :thumbsup:
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ChristmasElf Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
It's so great of you to share so many active groups. :la:

Personally, I feel like it would be nice if dA had an official system of dealing with groups who have inactive or deactivated administrators. We can't stop people who run groups from eventually not having time for the website anymore, but it'd help to cut down on the amount of dead groups if there could be a process to bring new administrators in when the old ones cannot perform their duties any longer. It seems like such a huge amount of the dead groups have deactivated or banned admins, in which case there's no hope for resurrection. :saddummy:
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Mrs-Durden Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Yes, if there was a system to deal with that it would definitely be great! And that might be to come, the group system is still fairly new, seeing the flaws and failures now will help them decide what they can do next to improve everything. I'm hoping this will happen soon!
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Zekkentak Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Student General Artist
I think the problem with this website really,
is how much it has grown in the number of users.

Its a bit of pain since there are still really good artists around here,
but at the same time, it seems to be impossible to make any friends around here anymore :/
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Pointerofreality Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
ironic since back when I first joined DA(on a different profile) I'd always enjoy putting my work in groups but rarely watching the works of anyone from that group. Shame too because looking now, there are quite a few talented artists who just never got the exposure they needed.
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mirz-alt Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013   General Artist
The one biggest complaint I have about groups is the lack of a proper management system for deviations. There is no way to find if a piece is in your group if you don't know exactly where it is. And if you remove a piece from a folder without specifically posting it to another folder, it ends up in limbo. You cannot *find* it again to move it somewhere. The requires removing and re-adding it to be able to find it. If the owner of the deviation is not around, there is no way to do that, thus effectively removing exposure for that piece as it is not viewable in the group (even though the deviation lists it in the group).

That said, I think on the flip side, many groups are so broad with so many different submissions, unless you have a big staff it's hard to keep up. I've found this so even with smaller groups I've had to run myself.

I do love the group system, but I feel it could be so much more.  Especially as a super-group owner, I just don't think it's nearly worth the amount that dA says it is.
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Mrs-Durden Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I definitely agree with the super group part, being a Super group doesn't add NEARLY enough of ANYTHING for it to be worth that much money! But we all are sort of conditioned to think that our goal is to have a super group so it can be a successful group...but with the few perks it gives it really should be more affordable. And it definitely needs to be tweaked.
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simple-minds Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist
Especially if it's a big group. There should be some kinda search feature for deviations in a group specifically, but it ain't gonna happen. Even using date or month of submission might help. As for the limbo thing...you have to scroll through the admin message log to find the deviation again. Again, if it's a big group...:-o
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mirz-alt Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013   General Artist
THough I should add, you can *find* a piece through the admin message log, but that still doesn't allow you to move it into a new folder if it's currently not connected. So the problem remains.
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yumeruby Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh wow. Have you reported this to the help desk before?
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mirz-alt Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013   General Artist
It's not a matter of an error. It's because you have the ability to remove a deviation from a folder, but it still remains in the group. There used to be an option that said, "remove from group." Because there is no administration panel, you can't manage deviations unless they are in a firm folder. As long as it's in a folder and you can find it, you can move and do what you will.
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yumeruby Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I tested this just now and removing a deviation from all folders in a group also removes it from the group entirely, it doesn't linger around. So I guess the only way to undo that is to re-add it to the group.
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mirz-alt Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013   General Artist
And I want to confirm that, yes, I did search each folder to make sure that a copy wasn't lingering. This was actually a huge problem recently when I revamped my whole group gallery, going through each and every folder and making changes. There were at least 3-4 pieces that were "in limbo." I liken it to when you remove a deviation from all the folders in your own gallery.  You can still view it when you "view all" but it's not in a folder.  Unfortunately, there is no "view all" in groups.  Though that would be a helpful thing.

Of course, this goes back to my feeling that there should be some kind of overall management system for the group (like there is for regular groups) would fix that.
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mirz-alt Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013   General Artist
Well, I have had had this problem numerous times where it doesn't remove it. Maybe it is a bug, but I've had it often enough that I've had to request an artist to remove it and then re-submit it to the group in order for it to show up.
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mirz-alt Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013   General Artist
That is true, but as you said, if the group was big, or if it was added say a couple of years ago, it's nearly impossible.

Search feature. OMG, yes. But, I agree, it ain't gonna happen.
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Created-By-Caz Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist Writer

A group is only as good as the people in it.  I run a small group (small because it's quite a niche group) and, when it started it was quite busy but these days I mostly have the same few people submitting. I have tried to get more involvement from the rest of the group, running interviews, features and contests.  However, submissions have tailed off, some of our members seems to have left DA altogether and others don't seem interested in getting involved - just want somewhere to dump their art.  My admins and I have been seriously considering closing the group (if the members can't be bothered, why should we put ourselves out to promote their work?) but decided to give it a few months and see what happens.

 

I've been a member of several groups where things were okay to start with but then the admins changed (messing up the group) or just seemed to get bored with running their groups.  It's a shame but if the admins don't make an effort, what's the point of having a group?

 

Some of the groups seem to not bother accepting submissions for a few days and then flood your message box with loads of them - why?  No one has time to view 100+ deviations - so many works will just be deleted from the stacks without ever being seen by the group's watchers.

 

I don't think DA is dying out but I am concerned about the groups - I think there needs to be some improvement all round, before they die out.

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Mrs-Durden Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Good points made here, I do agree that members play a crucial role, it's not necessarilly all on the admins, I think that maybe members would be more interested if in fact improvements were made to the system, making it more easy for groups to be communities and promote interaction etc.
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Created-By-Caz Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Writer

I agree - though I have found with my group that whenever I ask the members what they would like to see, I get no response (apart from one occasion when a member said they didn't believe in promoting himself).  I've tried interviews (which went well the first time but not so god the second time), editorials or statements to try and get a dialogue between members but with little success. 

 

The groups are cumbersome to organise and I think DA could do a lot to make things easier for everyone.  I wish they would make more options available for a group (or drop the cost of a super group to a much more reasonable amount) so we could use the other features (polls, forums would be great)!

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KorNaXon Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013
Maybe DA could do group features too under 'Deviousness'. Every week a different club could be featured.
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CMGfx Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
+1 :D
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moonlight-fox Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I have 3 groups I am an admin off.
I am the founder of #narutofanclub
I inherited the club and there are times it is dead but I make sure to run contest from time to time. #100ThemeChallengers have died since the trend has also died off. I am thinking maybe I can make a collaboration between narutofanclub and 100themechallengers

my other group is my school group. I'm just a contributor so I can't really do anything if the founder isn't active..
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prestonthecarartist Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Student Photographer
I agree with what you said in this journal. I am guilty of being "disconnected" from my groups, and I don't think that's the right thing to do. I too see a trend. It seems DA itself is getting less active (in the areas I am familiar with, anyway)
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Mrs-Durden Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Glad to know I'm not the only one to feel this way!
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prestonthecarartist Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Student Photographer
yeah!
:D
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Damn-It-Sammit Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Out of this entire journal, this stood out to me the most: "All we see are the popular famous ones on the front page, gaining popularity as always (not that this is necessarily bad), but what about the underdogs, the unknown artists who are often just as talented if not more, than those in the spotlight? "

D.A. Has many faults when it comes to artist recognition...

I personally blame the massive hoards of fanart, while some may be masterfully done, most are only recognized for their content. On the contrary, art that is good, but doesn't relate to a popular fandom, will almost always lack proper recognition. 
It's sort of like a cult following, where no one wants to see anything other than what they know, it's greatly frustrating.

Major features like Daily Deviations, are  biased, bcause they don't go through a system of votes, but chosen by one admin/volunteer.(It's like choosing one judge to pick a winner of an art contest.) There may be some beautiful, detailed pictures, but if the judge is more into abstract or simple pictures, he'll pick the, instead.

D.A. is comprised of many different artists, with many different tastes, but with everything lumped together, it's impossible to find some of the better pictures.

Maybe D.A. Should make a filter for fanart, where, if a deviation is submitted under it, will be separated from original works. (Users can choose a tab to show one, the other, or both.)  and maybe, perhaps, their entire system of categories needs to be redone to cushion the popularity of everyone's works.

If you didn't understand what I was trying to get at...(Sorry, run-ons, grammar errors, etc)......just go to the front page of D.A., see what's popular, and repeat The rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer.

As for the groups, the one in my signature is very much alive. I actually feel it to be the best group here on D.A.
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Mrs-Durden Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I think the point you raise about Daily Deviations is interesting. While I enjoy the system as it currently is in that regard, because I think it's fun to be surprised every day by the choices, and I love the work community volunteers do for dA as a whole and with their DD selections, I do think it may be a good idea to tweak the way things are done, and maybe make it more "democratic" or "community" based. However, like I said I do still enjoy it as it currently is, I think that most CVs try to be as objective as possible in their choices, but of course subjectivity is bound to happen, it's only human.

And yes, the category's on dA definitely need to be redone/revamped and improved, I consistently find issues with it, that and the tag system.
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Damn-It-Sammit Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Yes, definitely! The tag system is terrible, don't even get me started! XD
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gattsby Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I agree with you on alot of your statements, I believe that fanart and original should be filtered out. I'm tired of seeing fanart for things I am not apart of, leading me to not check the front page or unwatch groups that submit alot of that. I feel bad for leaving or not checking on art because of that fact. I also like your quote,"The rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer." This is certainly true for those who don't draw fanart, and those who's drawings don't fit the normal. Almost all the fanart I upload gets many more favorites then my original art, despite putting more work into the latter.
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ONI-Defense Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My most favorited pieces were the few fanart works I made. They were good, but I wish my other work would get that attention.
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Damn-It-Sammit Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Same here. I did a small pixel fanart, and it has far more favorites than most my other pictures.
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OceanAtEndofTheLane Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013
Having been active here for a decade, DA offers me nothing these days. I sell more prints elsewhere, I get more views and exposure on my art through fb and other sites, and if I have to listen to another user who has no idea what they're talking about hurl insults and code it as "critique" I might pull my hair out. :/ I literally only come here because of loyal followers who have been with me for years. I re-direct new viewers to my facebook fan page and other websites, and I still enjoy running my group. But yeah, DA has never been so irrelevant for me, and I was here in early years. I just don't see the point anymore.
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Mrs-Durden Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I can see where you're coming from, I think a lot of people have been feeling the same thing. I know I lost interest for a while, didn't see the point in coming anymore because all I found in the group system was a bunch of angry immature people, and if I didn't associate myself with groups, there wasn't really anything for me to do on dA anymore. But I decided to give dA another shot, I definitely can't sell prints here and probably won't become popular or famous for my photography, but I hope I can maybe help other people have the best possible experience and possibilities in the community :shrug:
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